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#1 Oblio

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 05:18 PM

Hello Community!

 

I have an email alias (blahblah@bodhilinux.com) that was setup by our very own Jeff - this points to a Gmail address - I was wondering, is it possible to have emails that I send from my Gmail appear to have come from this bohilinux.com address (sort of, spoofed, if you will - nothing nefarious, promise)? 

 

I was planning on using the whoopiewoo@bodhilinux.com address but realized that any received email that I reply to, would stem from a different address...which may confuse people, etc.

 

Anyone know a workaround?

 

Thank you in advance for any advice!


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 06:02 PM

Hmm, my first advice would be to test the whoopiewooatbodhilinux.com before taking any action.

 

In the past bodhilinux was hosted by a server that now appears to be marked as untrusted. We are no longer using that server, but that still might affect the bodhi mailing service: mails from at-bodhilinux.com not being accepted by some big mailservers.

But things may have changed again by now.

 

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 06:35 PM

Hmm, my first advice would be to test the whoopiewooatbodhilinux.com before taking any action.

 

In the past bodhilinux was hosted by a server that now appears to be marked as untrusted. We are no longer using that server, but that still might affect the bodhi mailing service: mails from at-bodhilinux.com not being accepted by some big mailservers.

But things may have changed again by now.

 

Enjoy,

Charles.

 

Thank you, Charles!

 

I can for sure receive emails sent to the Bodhilinux alias...as far as Jeff let me know, it isn't anything more than basically a pointer to another inbox (in my case Gmail).  I don't think it would be able to be forwarded to, however, due to it not being an email client...if that makes sense...

 

I'll keep digging around to see what I can find.  If I can't make it work, we may need to update the website (there is some information about becoming a member and getting an address to send/receive email).

 

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 10:41 PM

You may want to have a look at this and see where it leads


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#5 Tristam

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 10:53 AM

I'm not sure about gmail smtp servers in particular, but in general, if you authenticate to an smtp server with a recognized account, you can send mail with any "From" address you want.  In Thunderbird, I use "Identities" to send mail from accounts like my bodhilinux.com account.  I don't know if/how you can setup similar functionality in the gmail web interface.  Thunderbird identities are explained here.

 

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#6 Oblio

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 03:08 AM

You may want to have a look at this and see where it leads

 

Hooo doggie, looks like some playing, but I am always down :) 

 

I may need to attempt on my older box in case I nuke anything...errr, ah, Doom anything :)

 

 

I'm not sure about gmail smtp servers in particular, but in general, if you authenticate to an smtp server with a recognized account, you can send mail with any "From" address you want.  In Thunderbird, I use "Identities" to send mail from accounts like my bodhilinux.com account.  I don't know if/how you can setup similar functionality in the gmail web interface.  Thunderbird identities are explained here.

 

Tristam

 

Hey, thanks Tristam, always glad to see you lurking on the forums - I haven't played around with Thunderbird in what seems like ages, but that may be another simpler answer - just use another client!  I'll have to take a look at this too!

 

Thank you DOOMguy and Tristam!


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 12:32 PM

My wife and I have email addresses associated with our college (user@alum.college.edu). There are no servers, just a mail forwarding service with spam filtering that lets you direct your email to any account you want. Years ago I was able to associate that address with Gmail by Gmail sending a message with a link; clicking the link confirmed I controlled the address. I was trying to set my wife up the same way recently and was told that no longer works. Due to (I guess) spam concerns, there now needs to be an actual SMTP server associated with the address you're trying to use.  (here's the Gmail help forum discussion; hope that link works). This is similar to when our ISP demanded some months back that you had to use your email address associated with their domain as your From: address; spam was their stated reason.  (Then, just to be dicks, the ISP killed their email support entirely about 6 months later anyway.)

 

Note that she is using a POP/SMPT client, not the Gmail web UI, and that client was set to send From: the college address through the Gmail SMTP sevice. Gmail apparently rewrites that when sending to the Gmail address.

 

Bottom line: if there isn't an SMTP server associated with the Bodhi Linux email, you can't add it to Gmail as an address you can send from. If there is one, Gmail will use that SMTP server to send from that address.



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Posted 16 April 2017 - 04:49 PM

Hello Community!

 

I have an email alias (blahblah@bodhilinux.com) that was setup by our very own Jeff - this points to a Gmail address - I was wondering, is it possible to have emails that I send from my Gmail appear to have come from this bohilinux.com address (sort of, spoofed, if you will - nothing nefarious, promise)? 

 

I was planning on using the whoopiewoo@bodhilinux.com address but realized that any received email that I reply to, would stem from a different address...which may confuse people, etc.

 

Anyone know a workaround?

 

Thank you in advance for any advice!

 

I have not been paying attention to this but I fail to see the problem:

 

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#9 Oblio

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 03:43 PM

I have not been paying attention to this but I fail to see the problem:

 

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Ylee - do you have something else enabled or "paid for" on your account?  My Gmail does not offer to let me adjust the "From" field? 

 

This is encouraging though!


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Posted 17 April 2017 - 07:58 PM

Settings -> Accounts and Import -> Send mail as: "Add another email address"

 

Still digging into this...found the area to add another email address for sending email...now my problem is that I need to specify a SMTP server, port number and password...I do not know this information.  Without Bodhi having a real inbox, I do not think Gmail can send me a confirmation email to allow these settings to take place.

 

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 10:38 PM

Ylee - do you have something else enabled or "paid for" on your account?  My Gmail does not offer to let me adjust the "From" field? 

 

This is encouraging though!

 

 

Honestly Dude I did that so long ago I don't even remember how i set it up. I do know it wasn't hard for me otherwise I would have notes on it. Lol, I document everything that I feel needs it that I do. Simple to me stuff I don't document sadly. I say sadly because what was simple to me 4 or more years ago when I was in the middle of researching or coding this or that may be so simple now.  Had a really hard day at work today tho so I can't think my way out of a paper box right now :(  If you make no progress on it I will look into some this weekend. Remind me if i forget ;)

 

PS I don't have a paid account anywhere ...


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 12:11 PM

Like YLee, I have an alternate From: address in my email. The problem is The Rules Have Changed.  No doubt YLee and I did the same thing: (approximately) had Gmail send a message with a confirmation link to the alternate address, click the link when we got the email, address added.  No sweat.  But apparently more and more receiving mail servers these days are rejecting email where the domain in the From: address doesn't match the domain of the sending server. So now, if you want to send from, e.g., bodhilinux.com, there has to be an SMTP server associated with bodhilinux.com for Gmail to use.

 

My grandfathered-in alternative address seems to work fine with Gmail and I don't know of anything I've sent being rejected, but what Gmail's doing now aligns with what our ISP started doing a while back and I assume for the same reasons. 

 

All of the above comes from my asking essentially the same question on the Gmail help forum within the last week.

 

Bottom line: I don't think you can add your bodhilinux.com address to your Gmail unless Jeff & Team want to set up an SMTP server for the bodhilinux.com domain and start adding users to it.

 

Sorry to be the bearer of disappointing news.



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 02:13 PM

Like YLee, I have an alternate From: address in my email. The problem is The Rules Have Changed.  No doubt YLee and I did the same thing: (approximately) had Gmail send a message with a confirmation link to the alternate address, click the link when we got the email, address added.  No sweat.  But apparently more and more receiving mail servers these days are rejecting email where the domain in the From: address doesn't match the domain of the sending server. So now, if you want to send from, e.g., bodhilinux.com, there has to be an SMTP server associated with bodhilinux.com for Gmail to use.

 

My grandfathered-in alternative address seems to work fine with Gmail and I don't know of anything I've sent being rejected, but what Gmail's doing now aligns with what our ISP started doing a while back and I assume for the same reasons. 

 

All of the above comes from my asking essentially the same question on the Gmail help forum within the last week.

 

Bottom line: I don't think you can add your bodhilinux.com address to your Gmail unless Jeff & Team want to set up an SMTP server for the bodhilinux.com domain and start adding users to it.

 

Sorry to be the bearer of disappointing news.

 

Unfortunately, that is what I was suspecting....fooie.

 

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 03:54 PM

OK...spitballin' here...is there a possible way to use the formum inbox as a landing spot for said Bodhi Linux email address?  Does that use SMTP?

 

I am really wanting to use my bodhilinux email address but don't think I am going to be able to...I'm reaching for anything that may work... :(

 

[edit]

 

Considered a linux foundation email address but it runs about 250 USD...yikes!  Plus a membership annually (50 USD)...  The membership is one thing, but yowzers.

 

I know...I know...operating costs. 


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 06:34 PM

I wonder if you could set up a RPi on your network to run as a mail server for your bodhilinux email and then point gmail at that server?



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 04:24 PM

I wonder if you could set up a RPi on your network to run as a mail server for your bodhilinux email and then point gmail at that server?

 

That's the kind of thing I was wonder about too.  I'm not a big email/web person...I work more with PC hardware and networking... 

 

Anyone dabble with this?

 

Otherwise, I figure setting up a webset for a blog or something and then having email with that on the domain I setup may be the other option.  [edit] however...if I do all of that, I guess I would just set my own email address on my own domain and side-step this question altogether...

 

Why did they have to make spoofing an address so hard - darn the Internets! ^_^


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 05:23 AM

arstechnica had a pretty sweet group of articles that covered setting up a server for web/email/etc. There were about 8 articles total from back in 2015?



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 11:37 AM

OK, I need an explanation or a pointer:  RPi?  Attempting Google rpi just gets me the college.  :)



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 12:41 PM



OK, I need an explanation or a pointer:  RPi?  Attempting Google rpi just gets me the college.   :)

 

Raspberry Pi - ARM architecture mini computer.  Runs several Linux distros.  My understanding of its development was to bring a cost effective PC into schools/learning workshops/etc. 

 

For me, one of the biggest selling points are the GPIO pins (general purpose input/output) - these allow the Pi to interface with many electronics projects.

 

People use them as media servers, internet radio streaming boxes, ad blocking appliances, home automation controllers, you name it!

 

https://www.raspberrypi.org/

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:00 PM

Second time in two days I'm being somewhat oblivious to people's shorthand. Hadn't run into "Rpi" previously, but am at least passing familiar with the product. Haven't actually played with one, but then I'm just not prone to tinkering as a hobby these days.






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