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#1 Kev

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 06:11 PM

We recently hired a new "fresh from college" developer with absolutely no experience in PHP or MySql or a lot of anything else... fun to watch him learn... except... he still thinks he is living in a dorm room or at home.  There seems to be a lot of ignorance with fresh new hires that they don't understand an office environment  that has dress codes, conduct rules, etc... and how to conduct themselves therein.

 

Kind of wish there was a college course on "Working in an office environment" class.  So that they would learn not to leave stinky gym clothes on their desk along with half eaten food from a week ago and to keep ones bodily noises to themselves and not offend the environment in general.   The bewildered looks when this person gets corrected is almost amusing, but really, more sad than anything else.  Ah well I guess they have to learn somewhere at sometime.  Just wish it wasn't near me.

 

Awareness... what a concept.

 

:P - yeah its a little bit of a rant... but if you had to sit by this person you probably might get annoyed too....

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 10:02 AM

Welcome to nextgen. Surprised he even shows up enough to annoy you! :unsure:


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#3 SmartDuck

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Posted 25 January 2018 - 09:52 PM

You can politely tell him that it is better for his career, just give him some hints, good advice in a positive way. May be it helps.


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 10:03 PM

If SmartDuck's advice fails, just fire him after the trial ;)



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Posted 30 January 2018 - 12:55 PM

Yeah the trial is coming to an end... he has been reprimanded a couple of times about abusing the dress code.  One of my co-works was over when he cut loose and that got to the manager.  He was ok for a couple of days, however he apparently has a memory leak as he is back at it. Now to add to it there are gnats everywhere from the food he leaves laying out.  This is a bank not camp doofus.

 

At least I know at some point this will pass... he either gets it or he gets booted.  Shame to have to learn the hard way.

 

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Posted 02 February 2018 - 03:34 PM

I don't think all college students are like this, however - I'm suspecting this is more a product of his upbringing.  Back in the day I attended school with plenty of neat/organized people.  Maybe that was just the company I kept, who knows?! :blink:  

 

My favorite is people leaving their ring tones at full blast so you get to hear their awesome tones every time they receive a text or whatever...that's my favorite office annoyance.  Even better is when you are super busy and someone has to come over and tell their family drama stories and then show puppy pictures...

 

Anyway, yeah, there are a lot of things that colleges could do to better prepare graduates for the real world! :)


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Posted 02 February 2018 - 11:27 PM

Like you said not all college students are like that. I can only speak of the netherlands It goes wrong at home and school, kids are more spoiled then in the 80's or 90's for example and college these days is crap. I've one junior in my software development team, he comes from the same college (MBO application development) as the boy friend of one of my doughters. Same stories from both, no teachers available for lessons half of the time, they have to solve projects completely alone. It's a mess. Today it is the good people in the business that helps these youngsters to grow in their career.


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 06:15 PM

I have a very different view on this stuff. I am a construction worker and for the most part I could care less how ppl dress or even act. But I do tend to not trust people in suits or ties or dressed formally. Try not to do business with any such companies. I view this as some kind of class warfare BS. My thoughts would be times have changed get with the program and quit clinging  to anachronist repressive policies of yesteryears. 

 

After all Kev's comment would just as well apply to Stallman, Stallman would not fit in in a office environment like that. But any company that would not hire a young Stallman would be making a BIG mistake. 

 

And why should there be a  college course on "Working in an office environment" , what is so sacrosanct about these sort of repressive policies or these 'white collar' jobs. Why not a college class on how to get along with construction workers or work in that environment? 

 

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 08:37 PM

Yes, it is really a point of view. I agree with all of you. It depends on some variables. I understand some jobs require a certain society habits. I demand a clerk in a bank to be polite and dressed. It is hard to judge the Kev's young colleague. I do not know him. Maybe there is also something in his personality (not only bad habits) which is not acceptable for others not only in the office but in his personal life.

 

I work as a boss of nine technicians. I have some young people in the team. I won't tell all young are shit. Not at all. There are some attributes I can "measure" and I have to measure because we have a rate system. I agree with Ylee and his Stallman example but I have one guy which is smart as hell but arrogant.  He created such a kind of gap between him and everyone. "I am something and you all around are crap" philosophy. Hard to deal with that guy, bad team player but still very clever. What should I do? Let him be as he is and gain from his specialism? Why not, I do that. But some of my colleagues refused work with him. I had to force them. Or should I change his manners? Why not, I do that. I need a well working team. Or should I change mind of my colleagues and explain he is not such a bad guy but weird little bit. These are very important questions in case you work with people. It is a matter of goal you need to achieve. Yes, Stallman could be great in a team but sometimes one person can make that team disappear.

 

On the other side I have an "old school" guy who is arrogant just because of "I am someone because I have been working here for ages" philosophy. Almost all young guys know much more than he but I tolerate his silver hair little bit. And now how to be a wise manager, fair to everyone and doing his job well?



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 11:52 PM

ylee; I don't trust suits either. I never wear a tie. (joke; why managers and ceo's are make so stupid discisions, because thier ties are so tied and cutoff the blood flow to thier brains.) But you have to have a kind of standard so all team members feel comfortible. In my company we have not a suits culture, only the ceo┬┤s and upper management in official meetings or when they visit customers or partners.  


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:05 PM

I used to work in an office. That is, I am retired now but I used to work. For some 40 years I worked in various technical positions: graduate research assistant, geophysical contractor, aerospace contractor. I never wore a tie, much less a suit, except on special and rare occasions (and even then not always). Some people I worked with did, because they liked it. What was paramount, however, in all of the various environments, was "collegiality". I never met anyone who was so good (not even me) that his or her contributions would compensate for complete A--holery. What constitutes "collegiality" changes: with time, with context, with the makeup of the group even. The best people adapt to the situation. In my experience, the situation NEVER adapts to the individual.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:22 PM

I have worked in construction(highway construction) too... there are rules... safety shoes, hard hats, etc... I also served in the Navy.  There were rules there too..  Even being self employed there are rules.  Understanding them can help.  There are always exceptions true, but there will always be rules.

 

Someone mentioned upbringing... well that might be true to a degree.  Its an individual thing though and cant always be laid at the feet of parents.  I have 7 kids... most are neat and well behaved.  Then there are the 2 that are .... well.. painful to deal with.  It's their personality.

 

I grew up in the low country of South Carolina... Charleston County.   I remember having to ride a school bus through angry weapon brandishing  people who wore suits.. who wore construction gear... race relations were not all that great back then (early 1960's) I am not trying to pigeon hole anyone...  but if you are required to do certain things at a job, then do it. IMHO 

 

 

BTW who or what is Stallman?  I didn't get yLees reference....


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 03:08 PM

Wikipedia, Richard Stallman

 

Well known as guest in Linux conferences around the world.

 

Enjoy,

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PS. I have no opinion about this, but I remember the days I was like your trainee, except for the food leftovers and the stinky stuff. But I was way out of the office culture/dresscode that exists in accountancy.


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#14 graywizardlinux

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 03:53 PM

what clothes?   i never wear them.

 

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 03:19 PM

what clothes?   i never wear them.

 

:-)))

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yes!!!!! That is why I like to work from home!!!

 

ROFL


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 03:21 PM

 

Wow... amen!


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 03:35 PM

re: stallman - there was a video years back of him giving a talk and answering questions and he sat and picked the dead skin off of his barefeet and ate it.  it was a big to do back then.  brilliant but off the wall to the left and down the hall a little bit i would say.

 

p.s. i did see the video.  wild.

 

also at least he does not want a military parade for himself like ...



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#19 Kev

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 12:17 PM

... and thus ends the thread....


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 12:34 PM

sorry - just tossing that out there.  did not mean to end it all...






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