[anybodhi]

hi

just wanted to write something about my curious experience with bodhilinux.

i've started using it because i was looking for a compact debian derivated distro suitable for an
old laptop, and old computers (laptop dell x300; dell optiplex gx260; others)

as enlightenment had always seduced me, i decided to give bodhi a try and i was quite impressed as
soon as 1.0 was installed on a key (live) and on the x300

ok, had some trouble here and there with the "excessive" complexity of the multiple configuration
entries for the e desktop, compared to other very concentrated configuration panels (kde; xfce...)
but i survived and even made of bodhi my laptop distro.

things started to change when i had some issues for upgrading to 1.1, but i finnaly went thru... after
this upgrade, i got tired of searching here and there for adapting and kept a half-stable system.
i was still happy...

second upgrade to 1.2 turned to nightmare wich finished with a complete reinstall, because of too many
with ibar, nm applet, thunderbird, crashes of e ("this is very bad, enlightenment segv'd").... troubles.

after reinstall (all ok) i tried to change the default desktop layout, because i do not like the top rack/bar. (shelf)(thing)
and as a surprise, the nm-applet wich was in the systray gadget on top shelf, DID NOT SHOWS UP in the bottom bar! with exactly the same configuration (yes, same : invisible mode, below) !

So i had to re-install the top rack... against my wills. cannot customize at will, some things remains unusable...

and now i discovered i could'nt use thunderbird because i've hit the full screen, and now thunderbird
refuses to work normally : no top window bar (the one with the - square x on top right don't know the name),
so i cannot quit full screen even after editing profile.ini in ~/.thunderbird folder... and cannot even edit
"preferences because main windows hides it's display...
([edited]:solved partially with a trick see below)

these (un)happenings drive me here : i love bodhilinux for it is quite fast on my old computer, but i have
some very unpleasant issues wich drive me to hate it sometimes. This will even end in a divorce, if the
reciproque missunderstanding lasts too long...

i would prefer a less complex configuration, i do not think getting software with a single click (it work,ok)
is such a big progress compared to the very efficient "apt-get install", but before all i would like to keep
my system updated without havin to reinstall and reconfigure and replace the lost functionnalities with others
every once in a while !

and i request a functionnal thunderbird !!!

[Duma]

I understand your point.

E17 has a complex settings manager, but you can customize a lot of things. But it's not important.

I invite you to try to ask your trouble to the community, and we try to help you.

for example, apt-get are present in bodhi linux (is a Debian/Ubuntu based), if you know how to use, use it!

Hope you could give it a more chanche, but if you find a better desktop manager for your needs, enjoy it (of course)!

[anybodhi]

hi Duma you are a very positive person thanks !

well i was happy you helped concerning thunderbird (i still keep
a strange taste in the mouth)...

i still have issues with the racks : why bottom placement makes it behave different of top placement ?

also i should say : i have not much time to read so for me simplicity is great ! but i am trying
to improve...!

for instance i try to find out ho to change e behaving with windows and it is still mysterious...

cheers,

ani

[Duma]

for the shelf, Is it possible that you have 2 systray loaded in 2 shelves at the same time? This is impossible...
an advice: right click on the top shelf -> Settings and change its position.

E behavious for windows do you mean how E get the focus (if the mouse go on a window, it get the focus)? Right Click on desktop -> Settings -> All -> Windows -> Focus window and you can change !

hope it works... no need to read nothing more what you have to do!

[anybodhi]

Duma, on 27 September 2011 - 09:32 AM, said:

for the shelf, Is it possible that you have 2 systray loaded in 2 shelves at the same time? This is impossible...
an advice: right click on the top shelf -> Settings and change its position.

in this case i have the bottom shelf ok but i would prefer having just an ibar

by the way can you point the difference betwen ibar and shelf ? may be i am too demanding in here ?

Quote

E behavious for windows do you mean how E get the focus (if the mouse go on a window, it get the focus)? Right Click on desktop -> Settings -> All -> Windows -> Focus window and you can change !

hope it works... no need to read nothing more what you have to do!

i've tried this already but no change

to get focus if i click anywhere in the window it is not working, i have to click on the top bar
i have edited windows preference in configuration, tried "click to get focus", tried "focus on pointer", no change. even logout/login

how do you use screen shot ?

thanks for follow up

[Duma]

ibar is a E-module that contains launchers.
Shelf is "the rack" that contains all the module Button start, tray icons, taskbar, ibar, mixer, clock

Try the advanced settings of focus window settings to solve your trouble, maybe ther could be what you are searching

[anybodhi]

Duma, on 27 September 2011 - 09:44 AM, said:

ibar is a E-module that contains launchers.
Shelf is "the rack" that contains all the module Button start, tray icons, taskbar, ibar, mixer, clock

Try the advanced settings of focus window settings to solve your trouble, maybe ther could be what you are searching

yes that is what i thought but i prefer to haev all in the ibar : launchers and notification area but
it seems not functionning fully well by now

so i use rack on top with autohide at the moment

for the window thing i'll investigate further thanks

for screenshot i've installed "shutter" but 45 Megs !

ani

[axel]

anybodhi, on 27 September 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

... just wanted to write something about my curious experience with bodhilinux ...

Hi Anybodhi !

Updates are a weak point in most operating systems (including Windows), I've found it more reasonable to make a backup copy of my home directory and do a clean install. This way I can restore complicated setups (like my Firefox configuration) and at the same time avoid most updating issues.

If you have problems understanding Enlightenment configuration, I can recommend the Bodhi Guide to Enlightenment. E's actually pretty easy, just have to give yourself a couple of days to get used to it and explore all the options. If you still don't like E after some time, there's really no reason to stick with Bodhi, and you'll be better off with something like Lubuntu or #! XFCE edition.

About the tray issue, I'd recommend you just MOVE the top panel to the bottom instead of creating a new one, otherwise you will have multiple systrays at some point in time which will mess systray up (in other DE's, too), about Thunderbird maybe you could try this, or check if there's an Enlightenment Keyboard shortcut assigned to F11, which would maybe block the F11 shortcut for Thunderbird ... renaming .thunderbird directory might also be worth trying.

Cheers, Axel

[Hendra]

anybodhi, on 27 September 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

yes that is what i thought but i prefer to haev all in the ibar : launchers and notification area but
it seems not functionning fully well by now

You can't add notification area/systray to ibar because ibar is not a container. It should be ibar and systray in a shelf

anybodhi, on 27 September 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

so i use rack on top with autohide at the moment

Just a suggestion. Try making a new empty shelf on bottom, then add what you want there. Ibar, systray, anything you want. When you're done, make sure that shelf works just fine. If it does, you can delete top shelf safely

anybodhi, on 27 September 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

for the window thing i'll investigate further thanks

ani

Changing windows focus to 'Click Window to Focus' will make focusing works much more familiar.

[kc1di]

anybodhi, on 27 September 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

yes that is what i thought but i prefer to haev all in the ibar : launchers and notification area but
it seems not functionning fully well by no

ani

Hi anybodhi,

The Ibar can be placed on the desktop if that is what you desire simply click on the desktop go to settings > gadgets> ibar >add gadget

that will place the Ibar on your desktop you can add content by right clicking on an icon in the Ibar and seleting content. You can move the Ibar to where you want it by right clicking on an icon in ibar and selecting gadget Ibar and move/resize.

Cheers,
Dave

[Jeff]

Debian is the best base out there, but as Axel said upgrades are one of it's weakest points. If you sought out any other distro based on Debian it would have similar issues if it had a rolling base like we do (Read: Debian testing). The trade off for other things such as Ubuntu is a reinstall every 6 month or very, very old software.

As far as thunderbird goes, is it just me or is there no-fullscreen option at all in the current version? This version is built right from official mozilla soruces - so if there is a feature lacking please file a report with them. This is their latest stable version.

~Jeff

[STRUPPI]

Hi anybodhi,
"and i request a functionnal thunderbird !!! !

Well, make like me Thunderbird and FF in Kioske-Mode, the you have all Time under all Linux Thunderbird and FF.
No install and only 1 x Thunderbird and 1x FF for all OS, if you like it.
Thunderbird and FF is the on a separated partition [ntfs on my PC for sharing with Win7 too]

[anybodhi]

hi to all of you for your kind remarks.

i know i am a little weak on reading docs. Well i do as i can, and there is much
to learn...! i have to clarify more enlightenment and its functions for sure.

So for saying more i practise debian derivatives since a long time and as a regular
user, and i think enlightenment is quite a big change for me : i have for reference mostly
Kde, a little less Gnome, and a bit of xfce.

i am use to put my home in a separate partition, so saving the trouble to have to backitup
everytime i do an update. I am used also to updates going wrong (and forcing to reinstall
right after, what a pain in the...) specially with aptosid, it's not so dramatic but very
time consuming and not too "zen" for my point of view. For this reason the trouble i had
with 1.1 to 1.2 was not so bad (well at the moment it was BAD !) but bodhi is looking perfect :
so i demand perfection...

concerning Struppi remark : do you mean you use firefox and thunderbird portable AND compatible
with both linux and ms ? can you explain more ?could you open a topic about this please ?

concerning Jeff remark : i don't know how this happened, truely. i do not remember if i hit F11
or if i just used the "expand full size".
In fact there is as you say no full screen option, but it took me some time to go out of this
(thanks Struppi) and now this is'nt happening anymore

well, i will use bodhi better i hope, and know it better... may be !

thanks to kc1di, Hendra and Axel also !


ani

[STRUPPI]

Hi anybodhi,
NO PORTABLE -Version of FF and Thunderbird, it is the Kioske-Mode, Original from Mozilla.
All my Linux have this only one FF and this only one Thunderbird, it is "extracted" (not installed) on a separated partition and then linked.
If I change a Add or some else under Linux in FF or TB, this is alltime for all Linux, not only for this in moment used Linux.
If I set a new Favorite under Bodhi in FF, this is automatic addet for working under Dream or Mint, it is only one and the same FF presend.
I have phobia and so I have not shared FF with Win, but this is normal possible.
I have shared Thunderbird-Datas for Win and Linux
One TB for all Linux, the same Version in Win, TB-Database for Win is the Linux-TB-Database, that is all.

So I have my Emails (much impordend for me) all time in all installed OS and only 1 x.
But this is danger too.
If I make a crash in this FF & TB -Partition, all Datas are damage and loost.
So I make Backup with Freeware under Win from the Emails (MailStore Home).
Cost only Seconds of Time for a Backup..

Hope, I have now written better "my way" of FF&TB all time presend in all OS.

A Update in Linux-Thunderbird/Firefox is not the way "install update", it is the way "extract and copy on Partition.."
A Update via Terminal and Synaptic I have not tryed, but I think, is possible.
A Update via FF or Thunderbird self is not possible, is the Kioske-Mode and so automatic blocked as protection.
Only Design, Addon and so on are possible.
But the Design and Addons is in all Linux the same, only one FF and one TB are presend.
Uff..hope this was now clearer written.

[mondfried]

same thing here, version 1.0.0 was running perfectly.
since then bodhi went south, nothing works anymore.
i reinstalled completely but it wasn't worth the work.

[Jeff]

mondfried, on 04 October 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

same thing here, version 1.0.0 was running perfectly.
since then bodhi went south, nothing works anymore.
i reinstalled completely but it wasn't worth the work.

We can only help those that help themselves. You are one of the only people that has complained of 1.2.0 having issues that 1.x.x didn't have. At the end of the day no software can account for carbon based issues.

~Jeff

[JerryL]

Jeff, on 04 October 2011 - 04:44 PM, said:

At the end of the day no software can account for carbon based issues.

~Jeff

Hoo!!