[Jeff]

Yes I did Chipdoc. Post updated accordingly.

~Jeff

[Mark]

Yep, ChipDoc. CLI all the way until a genius graphics person comes up with something to knock our socks off. And the same thing's true for the original Bodhi version of Attainment,too.

That one's a really interesting experiment right now. Still ironing the bugs out of that one...

[KlingKlangMan]

This is what I have on my 2 Bodhi boxes:

VLC - I've been using it in W!ndows since it was in beta-test and had very few problems
Audacious - GTK-based audio player and looks like Winamp, so another good one for people moving from M$ systems to a *nix environment
FF4 - Another long-time favourite of mine from W!ndows since 0.x.x days
Thunderbird - A bit heavy, maybe, but good and familiar in layout for M$ refugees
Nautilus - It integrates better with Samba, so my home network all works with the mix of *buntu and M$ systems on it
Samba - See Above
Pidgin - Again, because it's another multi-platform app, so people may have used it in M$
Jockey - Because I'm too lazy to manually install proprietry drivers
Audacity - brilliant audio editor

Just my two-penn'orth.....

[Timmy]

I recently created a script for installing the stuff I like to have on my PC's and here's a list of things it installs:


desktop-file-utils (Obsolete since 1.1.0?)
skype
shotwell
bodhi-vlc
firefox
bodhi-faenza
bodhi-theme-pack
bodhi-gtk-23oz
bodhi-gtk-blackdiamond
bodhi-gtk-daysofgrays
bodhi-gtk-kiwi
bodhi-gtk-moomex
bodhi-gtk-murrinnachrome
bodhi-gtk-murrinnacream
bodhi-gtk-raptor
bodhi-gtk-taqua
emesene
bodhi-transmission
gnomebaker
cheese
bodhi-libreoffice
acroread
adobe-flashplugin
msttcorefonts
bodhi-wine1.2
jockey-gtk
grandr
bodhi-filesharing
sun-java6-plugin
p7zip-full
unrar
rar
zip
unzip

[Mark]

It's update time again...

I've spent most of my spare time the past few weeks working on Attainment for our current version of Bodhi rather than our 64-bit embryo. (I go where the highest priority work's needed.)

Remember:
* a 32-bit OS runs quickly on a 64-bit system
* anyone who really wants to address more than 4GB for very intense work (animation modeling, nonlinear a/v editing, scientific number-crunching) can always install a PAE-enabled kernel
* a 64-bit OS has no more addressable memory space than a 32-bit-PAE-enabled kernel anyway
* standing by a 32-bit OS which gives users the option of a physical address extended kernel really does strip away some of the "marketing hype" around 64-bit procs, just as the fact that very few everyday apps are written to take advantage of the true concurrency multi-core procs offer. Chalk up Yet Another sense of "enlightenment" when it comes to Bodhi, The Little OS That Can.

Work isn't stopping on the 64-bit system, just being placed behind Attainment for our current Bodhi. Once we have a proper build structure, other devs will be able to choose which parts of Bodhi64 they'd like to help implement.

Meanwhile, we have a solid Bodhi release with an E17 desktop to be proud of, even though we likely won't see a 64-bit alpha before year's end. But when we have one, it'll be done right.

For now, expect an update near the first of every month for the next three or four months, but not more often than that. Encouraging words, however, are always welcome!

[Timmy]

Great to hear that you are not abandoning us Mark! How's Attainment coming along? What functions have you implemented and how was that experience? What work needs to be done?

I'm soo curious!

[hippytaff]

I also am keen on reading any attainment info, but you are abusy man. Exciting stuff...keep up the good work Mark

[Vistaus]

"anyone who really wants to address more than 4GB for very intense work (animation modeling, nonlinear a/v editing, scientific number-crunching) can always install a PAE-enabled kerne"

True, but for some reason, the PAE-kernel is always unstable for me. That's why I'm waiting for a 64-bit version of Bodhi (currently using E17 SVN on Ubuntu 11.04).

Btw, one other question: are you gonna make Attainment open source? If so, maybe you could already share the source with us for the early testers (including me)?

[Mark]

Attainment for the entire Bodhi family will be GPL2'd, just as the Linux kernel is. As far as instability with the PAE extensions, I don't have 4GB+ ram so I can't play around with issues with *that* -- not that I have time for it anyway . But...I'm just trying to keep everybody with a "heads up" note that 64-bit dev will continue to get back on track once the Attainment-for-32-bit-Bodhi nut is cracked. Eh, it takes time.

[Vistaus]

Thanks for answering I have 6 GB RAM so I can tell you that PAE is unstable, at least for me.

But can you answer this question I asked too?
"If so, maybe you could already share the source with us for the early testers (including me)?"

[Mark]

Vistaus...I didn't mean to not answer the pm question. The answer is: once it works, it'll be available to anyone, so that we have the greatest possible number of testers.

Since it won't be a feature of Bodhi during testing, those with a will of iron and nerves of steel are more than welcome to be testers. And since the source will also be available, anyone with a steady eye can help squash bugs and streamline code. Where it goes from there is up to the community as a whole.

Today's actually been a good day for both versions of Attainment. Sometimes I surprise myself.

To anybody else: out of curiosity, anybody else having stability issues with PAE? Under specific circumstances or simply "in general"? Anybody know if it could be in the pointer table directory? (That's a WAG, but as good a place to guess as any other. Annd...probably completely wrong.)

Such fun.

[ChipDoc]

 Vistaus, on 07 July 2011 - 05:30 PM, said:

I have 6 GB RAM so I can tell you that PAE is unstable, at least for me.

I suspect you tried the 2.6.39 PAE kernel. My machine is unstable with any version of that kernel, but it's rock-solid with the 2.6.35 kernel, both normal and PAE versions. Now I'm running only 3gigs of ram, so I can't speak to the value of PAE, but you can nab the 2.6.35 PAE kernel HERE.

[Jose]

2.6.39 Kernel and PAE, Intel core 2 duo with 4 GB ram, ICH-9 and everything else is realtek and Nvidia Geforce 9600M GS, Running perfectly fine. No issues errors or unusual behavior. Except midori crashing thanks to the flash plugin, which has nothing to do with PAE I assume .

Cheers,

[Vistaus]

@Mark: Thanks for answering my question!
@ChipDoc: No, it's the other way around. I tested it with every PAE-kernel except for the .39. All unstable here.

[dagrump]

I'm also very interested in a 64 bit install of a minimal original footprint. I seem to have OCD, so there is at least 6 64 bit capable boxes around here I'm sure one of them could be offered up for breakage. I couldn't program squat, but I can break stuff just fine.
So when you get to the point of a testing ISO I'm ready.
Since gnome & ubuntu have started going directions I really don't enjoy the lighter desktops are more appealing. I'm still playing with their testing versions, though they seem to become more unstable with each release.
I look forward to playing with a 64 bit version of bodhi, but for now I think I'll try the buggy PAE kernels on one of this boxes.
Two desktops, one laptop, & an AA1 have been switched to bohdi already, it's only a matter of time till everything is migrated.
So maybe for Christmas we get a testing ISO...

[Jeff]

 dagrump, on 29 July 2011 - 04:31 AM, said:

I think I'll try the buggy PAE kernels on one of this boxes.

I use a PAE kernel on two systems, both of which TheGirlFriend and I use every day - zero issues.

~Jeff

[Vistaus]

I now installed Bodhi over my Ubuntu 64-bit E17-install. Let's see if the PAE-kernel doesn't bug this time...

[ChipDoc]

I'm only running 3 gigs of RAM so I don't get to see any functionality improvement, but when I run the 2.6.35 PAE kernel there is absolutely no discernible difference between it and the non-PAE kernel on my machine.

[dagrump]

The buggy kernel comment was refering earlier chatter, I loaded up it seems to be fine. I don't gain much since this box only has 4 gigs. I don't think I'll switch the 8 gig box over as it's running 10.04 64 bit. I got a year or so without Unity, & by then I might have learned to tolerate it.
I like the look & feel of E better, & all the ram isn't eaten just because it's there.
My little Acer A1 had it's 10.04 install replaced over the weekend, I'm slowly converting them over. Laundry room computer is next. That little AA1 is almost snappy now, & isn't using 1/3 of the ram for the basic system.

[ChipDoc]

Laundry room computer? Sure must be nice to have a laundry room!