[kc1di]

just wondering if there will be a 64 bit version?
Or should I just install a PAE kernel?

Thanks,
Dave

[Timmy]

As mentioned several times on the forums Bodhi ill have a 64-bit release starting with the 2.0.0 release this summer.

As also mentione though: 32-bit + PAE is more than enough for most (see 99.5%) desktop users.

[kc1di]

Timmy, on 17 February 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

As mentioned several times on the forums Bodhi ill have a 64-bit release starting with the 2.0.0 release this summer.

As also mentione though: 32-bit + PAE is more than enough for most (see 99.5%) desktop users.

Thanks appreciate it. Couldn't find the reference on the forum. But only did a quick seach.
Cheers!

[jmadero]

64 bit version will only be server though right? I thought Jeff and I had a bit of a disagreement about why a desktop user would want a 64 bit machine....just to be difficult, since then I've told a few programmer friends to try out Bodhi, all have said until a 64 bit version is released they aren't interested

[Jeff]

64 bit as an operating system is target at servers and work stations. Desktop users see little to no performance gain in 32bit vs 64bit and can see added issues.

So little gain, for added issues means we will still be suggesting desktop users use 32bit. In fact the 32 bit download will be called "Desktop" and the 64 bit version will be called "work station" on the website (and ARM will be tagged as "mobile" in anyone cares).

For every 100 people that ask about 64bit I'd bet only 1 or 2 know what they are actually gaining from it.

~Jeff

[jmadero]

was just verifying because I figured the user was asking about desktop 64 bit version which will not be available ever unless one or many in the community try to do it

[Timmy]

Well, running the 64-bit ("server") version on a Desktop won't be more wrong than running 32-bit (other than the obvious bloat that comes with the libraries). As far as I know the only (pretty big) difference will be the addition of a 64-bit kernel and the needed libraries, with as many applications compiled for 64-bit instruction sets as possible. That is, no specific server software will be added (just as the Ubuntu server install is just a minimal Ubuntu install with a fancy package selection screen geared towards server applications).

[Meji_D]

Jeff, on 22 February 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

For every 100 people that ask about 64bit I'd bet only 1 or 2 know what they are actually gaining from it.

I do!
Besides workin with IT at work; I design & do calculations of magnetic fields in rotating asymetrical magnet systems in RF, Pulsed & DC magnetrons for thin film plasma deposition with the aim of optimising the erosion patterns on targets to achieve maximum utilisation while simultaneously maximising uniformity of the deposited thin film. Now there's a mouthful

Some of these calculations take a week to run. As there is a "for 64-bit optimised" version of the software I use, I would gain a reduction in time to completion

That said, I also do not see any benefit at all in using this 64-bit system for checking mail, reading this forum, watching youtube or the latest full HD movie, doing general everyday in-the-office computer things, etc.

[silentdrgn]

Before I started using Bodhi and noticing there was only a 32 bit version I had no idea how little I benefited from upgrading to a 64 bit OS. I always thought using a 64 bit OS with a 64 bit CPU would give you a huge performance increase. For what I am doing that is not the case. All I needed was the PAE kernel and I am good to go.

I do think a 64 bit version would bring in more users though. Like me most people do not realize that a 32 bit OS is more than a enough. I had actually re-installed Linux Mint when I noticed it was only a 32 bit OS before reading through the boards. Heck you could throw a 64 bit tag on it and people would take the bait.

[jmadero]

lol until it gets out in the forums that it's not true and then you'd have some angry users. I don't think the main contributors in this forum would go for that but I assume you were joking anyways After the 64bit server build it shouldn't be too hard to make a desktop build from it. It would be nice if Jeff could set up a test 64 bit repository and just throw in the 32 bit bodhi backages so that a user could still upgrade their system and slowly upgrade packages to 64 bit versions.

silentdrgn, on 23 February 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

Before I started using Bodhi and noticing there was only a 32 bit version I had no idea how little I benefited from upgrading to a 64 bit OS. I always thought using a 64 bit OS with a 64 bit CPU would give you a huge performance increase. For what I am doing that is not the case. All I needed was the PAE kernel and I am good to go.

I do think a 64 bit version would bring in more users though. Like me most people do not realize that a 32 bit OS is more than a enough. I had actually re-installed Linux Mint when I noticed it was only a 32 bit OS before reading through the boards. Heck you could throw a 64 bit tag on it and people would take the bait.

[Jeff]

Meji_D, on 23 February 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Some of these calculations take a week to run. As there is a "for 64-bit optimised" version of the software I use, I would gain a reduction in time to completion

This right here is the only reason we are adding 64bit support - people that do scientific computing should be able to enjoy E as well.

jmadero, on 23 February 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

After the 64bit server build it shouldn't be too hard to make a desktop build from it. It would be nice if Jeff could set up a test 64 bit repository and just throw in the 32 bit bodhi backages so that a user could still upgrade their system and slowly upgrade packages to 64 bit versions.

Again, the ignorance of uninformed users who think they need 64bit well in play.

Do you know what the difference package-wise is between 64bit Ubuntu/Debian and will also be the case with Bodhi 64bit? Absolutely NOTHING. 64bit will have/offer EVERYTHING 32bit does. It simply will not be recommended for desktop users - because they have no reason for using it. I've said this hundreds of times and I'm done with it now.

I've stated 64bit support is being added. Topic closed.

~Jeff