[ottermaton]

I am very pleased to announce that we now have our own Bodhi Linux Wikipedia page!!!

I built one about a month ago but some cantankerous louse on a power-trip flagged it for deletion within hours and it was gone within a day. This iteration of it has now been up for 24+ hours with no flags, so it looks like it's gonna stick this time. Let's hope I'm not counting my chickens before they're hatched though.

To be fair, the fact that we're now listed on DistroWatch(<<<< click the link!!!) lends us some credibility, as well as the review at ghacks.net.

My goal was to just get the basics up on Wikipedia, and now that that part is done I invite anyone who has an interest to edit and add to it.

cheers
mark

[fore17]

I went there for a look, ottermaton. Its a fine page really and has the essential for a first sight about Bodhi.
I could try to edit it myself, but I'm afraid my english is not good enough, so I leave the suggestion, which is about adding a brief paragraph to refer about our art sub domain page.
While writing here, I went to a quick view at the Bodhi main page and didn't also find a reference there to it. If I haven't over sought it, I think Jeff could also consider referring it there.

[ottermaton]

fore17 said:

I went there for a look, ottermaton. Its a fine page really and has the essential for a first sight about Bodhi.
I could try to edit it myself, but I'm afraid my english is not good enough, so I leave the suggestion, which is about adding a brief paragraph to refer about our art sub domain page.

Your English seems just fine. Go ahead and do it! If there are any major grammatical errors, I or someone else can correct it later.

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While writing here, I went to a quick view at the Bodhi main page and didn't also find a reference there to it. If I haven't over sought it, I think Jeff could also consider referring it there.

Jason is probably the best person to contact in regards to the main site. Try sending him a message from his user page.

cheers
mark

[Jeff]

Adding mention of the art website is on the TODO list for Jason. I've had him busy running around doing other things - will be added in time. Getting it added to the wiki page couldn't hurt though.

~Jeff

[julianb]

The bodhi linux wikipedia entry was deleted at some point, however, i have re-created it. Previously there were complaints that the bodhi linux entry in wikipedia was "advertising".

I took care to create the article in such a way that it was not advertising (I am not affiliated with Bodhi Linux in any way) and cited sources other than bodhilinux.com which verify that bodhi is "notable" according to wikipedia guidelines.

if you're reading this and you can edit the article without running afoul of the conflict of interest rules on wikipedia, I encourage you to improve the article.

Bodhi Linux on Wikipedia

[ottermaton]

Being that I was the original creator of the Bodhi Linux article, I'd like to respond here with what happened to it, just "for the record."

My very first attempt at putting an article on Wikipedia about Bodhi was flagged within hours for "non-notability" and deleted before I even had a chance to respond to that allegation. Discouraging, but they did have a point at that time (this was around release 0.1.4 I think). I didn't have much in the way of external links and sources, so I accepted it and waited until Bodhi grew and got more "press."

When Bodhi did have a wide variety of reviews from a large number of sources, I thought it had reached the notability threshold. So I made another. It took great care to write an unbiased article and listed only facts that could in no way be construed as opinion or promotion. Those who saw the article while it lasted can verify this. Unfortunately, it didn't stay there very long, but the real reason had nothing to do with content, external sources, or advertising, though these were ALL brought as reasons during the "review."

How my article came to be reviewed was that another user (Tom Wickline, username twickline on Wikipedia) was doing a bunch of obvious and unabashed self-promotion. I'm not going to get into what a piece of work this guy is; my fingers don't have the endurance for all the typing needed. twickline was also making a terrible article about Bodhi at roughly the same time I was, unbeknownst to me. The namespace for his article was Bodhi_linux and mine was Bodhi_Linux (Wikipedia is case sensitive for article namespaces). Because of his consistent spamming of Wikipedia and abusing of editors his article on Bodhi was taken down.

It didn't take long for some Wikipedia editors to take notice of my article on Bodhi, and at first I was accused of being a "sockpuppet" of twickline (that is, a "phony" alias account). An understandable assumption, I guess. I had to go through quite a bit of back and forth to make them realize that I was not twickline's sockpuppet. Instead of doing what reasonable people would - namely, saying, "Oh, my mistake. Sorry" they switched gears and started claiming the reason for deletion is "non-notability". After establishing with these editors that Bodhi was and is notable (by pointing to NUMEROUS reviews, distrowatch listings FAR higher than many other (often defunct) distros that have Wiki articles, etc), the reason then became "conflict of interest". Technically, owing to my involvement with the project, this is valid. But none of the editors I dealt with could point to any flaws in the article itself regarding bias or promotion.

During this whole ordeal (it drug on for several weeks) I tried my best to remain civil with the editors there, even though I was consistently treated with disregard, condescension, and disdain. In an even more spectacular feat of backpedaling than displayed in them trying to find justification for deleting my article instead of just admitting they were wrong in the first place, one of them even quoted "cantankerous old louse" from the original post in this thread to try to "prove" some incivility on my part.

What it boils down to is that those editors removed an unbiased, informative, useful article (and no one has ever disputed this) from their site because their egos wouldn't allow them to admit that they erred in the first place.

julianb: I want to thank you for taking your time to create the article for Bodhi, and I wish you the best in being able to keep it there. Unfortunately, given the history that I have had with them and the fact that they may well be on the "lookout" for Bodhi references makes me less than optimistic.

I'm not going to do any editing there myself. Considering my history with them I'm sure it would be unproductive. But, I will make some suggestions:
1) The fact that it is marked as a "stub" right now means that it is, no doubt, sitting in some editor's inbox right now waiting for their review. I'd take care of that ASAP. 2) Try to find some more varied external references. What you have is pretty good, but more can't hurt.

Best of luck!

cheers
mark

[fore17]

That's a sad story, ottermaton. I've read elsewhere other references to some odd behaver from some of those Wikipedia editors.
Regarding the current Bodhi article in there, I saw now that they placed this reference in it:
"This article is an orphan, as few or no other articles link to it."

I thought the following could help:

At the references, add the lwn.net's Linux Distribution List (nº71)

At the first line
Bodhi Linux is based on Ubuntu. It is a small GNU/Linux distribution using the Enlightenment window
replace "It is a small" with "it is a lightweight"

Add Bodhi to the lightweight distributions article,
http://en.wikipedia....ux_distribution
and link it to word replaced as mentioned above.

Also, add Bodhi in the "list of linux distributions" and "comparision of linux distributions",
http://en.wikipedia....ns#Ubuntu-based
http://en.wikipedia....x_distributions
and place links to the main Bodhi article

[ottermaton]

fore17, on 14 May 2011 - 04:43 AM, said:

Also, add Bodhi in the "list of linux distributions" and "comparision of linux distributions",
http://en.wikipedia....ns#Ubuntu-based
http://en.wikipedia....x_distributions
and place links to the main Bodhi article

Wow. It WAS there. Those people are crazy.

cheers
mark

[fore17]

ottermaton, on 14 May 2011 - 05:04 AM, said:

Wow. It WAS there. Those people are crazy.

It means they cleared all references everywhere.
That's a total non sense, indeed.

[julianb]

nah, they didn't clear all the references to Bodhi Linux during the last few days. The order of events as far as I can surmise, is:

1. Bodhi Linux article got marked as orphan
2. at around the same time, I noticed the "orphan" tag and so did fore17. Then I created links to bodhi in several appropriate wikipedia articles but I didn't remove the orphan tag and fore17 posted about the orphan tag on this forum thread.
3. Someone removed the orphan tag and made other improvements to the article

[lion_d_gem_heart]

translated it into german http://de.wikipedia....iki/Bodhi_Linux

[husarz]

I think English and German sites on Wikipedia (and more in the future) should be connected with each other. I mean changing language you know.

And some feedback to lion: why in 'Chronik' you put all releases of Ubuntu? ;p

[lion_d_gem_heart]

oh, thats an error - i'll correct it

[julianb]

Following the treatment of the Bodhi Linux article on Wikipedia, I created an article on wikinfo.org:
http://www.wikinfo.o...php/Bodhi_Linux

The wikinfo.org article about a topic is supposed to have a "sympathetic point of view" - rules about conflict of interest and notability are not as strict (so more open criticism would also be appropriate on a separate "criticism of ____" article).

Please consider adding content to the wikinfo article that would help make the case for why Bodhi Linux is a well-loved distribution that thousands of people have downloaded.

If and when the wikinfo article contains information that is permitted under wikipedia rules, we can transfer stuff to the wikipedia article. (and hopefully expand the wikipedia article so it's no longer a stub)

[sunce]

Wow.. i glad to hear bodhi hass growing bigger..

Cool guy's bodhi on wiki...

[Tanyasi Buddha]

I translated it, into hungarian: http://hu.wikipedia....iki/Bodhi_Linux

[Timmy]

Tanyasi Buddha, on 19 April 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I translated it, into hungarian: http://hu.wikipedia....iki/Bodhi_Linux

Great work (I hope, can't read it lol)!
Welcome to the boards mate. ;D

[Flymo]

Belatedly, I have read your post, ottermaton. How utterly annoying!
So...
Have just logged into Wikipedia and done the 'lightweight' change as suggested by fore17, then added 'ARM' to the supported platforms. It's a start.
We'll see what happens....

I used to edit the Wikipedia 'Autogyro' page, long ago. It took a while, but the downright wrong stuff was eventually removed for good.
The system seemed to work eventually, if one had the references to back up the entry.

Gotta go now!

[cave]

updated the german wikipedia,

and the entry on Raspberry Pi http://elinux.org/RP...ions#Comparison

[Bob E]

Updated desktop screenshot to 2.0.1 for all languages.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bodhi_Linux